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Someone said Evernote cannot compete with OneNote because one is paid and the other is free.
How to compete?
I sticked to OneNote for a really long time because it is free. However I switched to Evernote recently because they have working mobile apps and desktop too. OneNote is useful for me only on desktop. On a phone/tablet OneNote is not good: text selection problems, slow sync, failing to sync, no ordering of pages, Evernote has less features but it is quite a bit neater than OneNote - text is not all over the place and it delivers a consistent experience on desktop and mobile.
Recently gave Evernote another try after trying it way back. Disappointed with functionality so do not use it (power user of many other tools). For notes currently using Trello and Google Docs.
-not clear how to set default Notebook
-Mac app crashes on exit every time
-Trello plugin does not work well at all
-web app slow to load
-too frequently forced log out (<24hrs)
-upgrade to Premium required for chat and email support...so cannot get help
Looking into OneNote, Notion, NoteJoy or other?
It has been time for years now. You give t way to much credit...Don’t be sad. Odd enough there hasn’t been a company out there doesn’t seem able to create an Evernote clone except it actually listens to its users. I hardly use Evernote unless I really really have to.
More Evernote non-progress frustration...
Yesterday (10-4-18) I received an email from Evernote requesting me to complete (supposedly) a 'Share What You Think' survey. After way too long into the survey I quit, and sent the following message to Evernote:
The manner in which this 'survey' takes place appears to be considerably misleading, e.g., giving a participant an impression that they will be able to 'share what they think' e.g., one or more (long-wanted) Evernote improvements, only to find that many, many questions are more directed to how evernote should price (charge for) its offerings, thereby risking that the participant will feel used or manipulated, rather than forthrightly given the opportunity to share what they think. The focus of the survey does not come off as customer-centric it comes off as a Evernote-pricing and/or posturing quest.
(Making one feel whoever is in charge of Evernote's feature set and its progress is quite out of touch in how to do so in even the most basic or ways)
Continued msg to Evernote:
Evernote has not been significantly improved for a long time. It would be a simple matter to do a much shorter survey that asks what features customers want to see most, then take the top five or ten most-asked for features and implement them. In the software development world this needn't be difficult. For example, if customers say they would like anchors/links or collapsible/exandable paragraphs within a web page (an Evernote 'note') just implement it -- how long can that take a competent programmer to complete?
Sub! Love at first sight. How come I never found this channel before. Evernote, an old friend - that rings so true. So, much data carefully compiled by the own hands of your loved, past self. It's really tough to move away from something that you have such a bond with. However, gotta move on, when the time comes.
People have made fun of me for my past exuberance for evernote. But now -They have taken away a public share feature in many areas. TIME TO LEAVE.!!!! RUN. I'm running be for they do any more damage to my data/friends/customers/family. Any more advice on migration please share it here. Thank you.
Love Evernote but they have focused on the wrong features in recent years - moving away from their base. Prices continue to go up despite a lack of new features for the average user. Explored OneNote but as a Mac user the fact you can’t scan directly to OneNote is plain dumb (No Twain support). Still can’t understand why Evernote can do this but OneNote can’t. Became more and more concerned Evernote is being abandoned by users and their own team. Concerned my notes might end up unavailable to me. Recently switched to Mac Notes app. It’s not perfect (search is way less useful than Evernote) but has some advantages if you are on the Mac ecosystem.
EverNote should be called EverUnClear or EverFcknConfusing
I got an email a couple of days, that due to my Plus plan, I'll have access to Templates, so I spent time looking for that template button on my Pc and Mac evernotes, as well as the Browser one. Nothing.
Then I realize that they no longer have Plus as an option when I go to their "compare plans" chart on their site.
They waste your time by not being clear and getting their shit together.
Evernote - Note Templates: Evernote finally got some template options that can be used and are limited. But what I like is that now I can create my note and save it as a template. :)
Please make a video about this new feature. Thank you.
Notion does sound interesting but there's no browser support or apps for linux. I've got three platforms in my house. Sounds like Notion is dead in the water for me. Evernote is still good enough for now.
I love Evernote, and I'm a premium user, but I'm really doubting my loyalty. Lately I often get a blank screen when I try to log in via Chrome (this wasn't a problem a few months ago). The program I downloaded to my PC crashes or goes unresponsive 9 times out of 10 when I try to use it. I have 1,000s of work, professional development and client notes. If I can only access Evernote consistently via iPad or iPhone, it will only be useful for recipes.
Any chance that someone like Microsoft/One Note or Google or someone would buy them out and keep the product alive? I'm using Evernote less and less since they rolled out the GUI downgrade. I know their competition isn't that great at the moment but maybe a merger with a smaller installed product might be better than letting it just languish, shrivel or die.
I've been an Evernote user from the start so this makes me very sad. I'll be hoping they get the "stuff" figured out. In the meantime... the 2 features I still have not found any other app can replace is the ability to send emails to evernote and keep the ENTIRE email intact. (not only text but graphics / clickable links etc). when I forward an email to evernote it literally looks exactly like the email. For my business this is important. The second feature I can't live without is a true web clipper. One note can "kinda" do it but not like evernote where again it literally looks exactly like the web page and brings over all content along with a link I can easily get back to. Any secret apps out there I just don't know about that does these things?
Hi Steve, Thank you for your time on teachings us, I did the boring and time consuming, of migrating to Onenote, guess what, I did not erase Evernote as a matter of fact I going to pass all my new Onenotes to Evernote, you may ask why, Onenote does not synchronize very well, matter of fact I really do not like it, I live in northen Mexico neighbor to Arizona, I have the Plus plan , which I do not know if is going to continue, many say yes othersa that premiun is going to be the one right, now I pay 10.00 dollars a year, (Latin America special price) perhaps by January it will be 20.00 still the functionality with my no expert opinion, Evernote is far better, yes I know Onenote has colorred tabs, etc. and its own by the Giant MS, but I try to follow your advice, thank you...greetings from Cananea, Sonora, MExico....Salud Steve and muchas gracias.....by the way you English pronunciation is great, you Canandians are great people....Blessings
I stay away from Google, they're already in litigation for snooping. On the other hand, I've made a note in evernote to revisit Notions app, since it's apparently failing at the moment. To be continued.
as soon as you start to look for alternatives you immediately realize how good Evernote is - simple enough for daily use, reliable enough to store almost everything in it, FIND things, reminders, location (Map based through 3rd party app), handwritten notes, TAGS, sharing, complex searches, etc. etc. :-)
My use of evernote is extensive I have broad categories like work, home, and interests and research and have subject under these categories with notes under there. Notion looks interesting. I use Onenote for a lot of my personal stuff. I am a free user of evernote since I just could not see paying when I saw so little progress on maintaining the apop. I am actually looking at creating a multi-generational family archive that gets passed on generation to generation and that is a big project that requires a lot of issues to be resolved. For example when you die most of your online accounts vendors policies do not allow for inheritance of your profile, preferences or data in the account and it is incredibly difficult to allow a family member to inherit with mpost online providers including e-mail and online hard drives. If you die Microsoft could lock your online account and your family could lose access to critical documents, password and photos as well as music and video collections that may be stored on onedrive or google drive. (This should probably be one of your webinars) also each countries laws vary on this. Right now I back up to a local NAS since its the only way I can legally ensure access to the data.
Steve I reviewed Notion and my head hurt. If I go with Notion you are only one I trust to show me the way! All the other You Tube folks are confusing or they assume that their audiences are nerds. Also, explain your closing charge to us “have fun storming a castle”?
Look what Google news feed just sent me about Evernote! Android Police: Evernote cuts 15% of its staff after committing 'too many resources too quickly'.
Thanks for the update about Evernote. It is sad to hear. I used Evernote early on. I had it on my computers, and phone, and used it for everything. I jumped ship when they moved to a pay model, and I moved my notes to OneNote, and I haven't looked back. With Evernote, I tried many different ways of organizing, but OneNote fit me better with how I take notes. I still use the Evernote web clipper because it is still a very useful tool. Sometimes it will clip articles that OneNote can't clip. Even though I use OneNote, it's still sad to see EverNote spiral downwards.
Thank you for the recap.
I have been a paid subscriber for 5 years and have loved the app, but it has been stagnant and unimaginative. I love to have an alternative. OneNote does not work for me. All I need is tab browsing ability on Evernote. This, to me, is an example of a great product just resting on their laurals.
Thanks so much for this recap Steve. I cannot make it to WWs so this is very helpful. I pay the 'Plus' subscription as not enough storage on the free one. Since you talked about Keep, I've been trying that out for my "less important" content. I like it but as you said, Evernote is an old friend. Everything is on there. I look forward to hearing about your search for an Evernote replacement.
Evernote will soon be sold off, it's inevitable. Microsoft is giving away OneNote free because they have a whole slew of stuff, the sales of which are subsidizing that product. Evernote is only Evernote, how can they compete against free? The market has been tight for most people for a long time; it's getting worse out there, people don't have money so the vast majority will not be able to afford payments to Evernote. It doesn't matter how great Evernote is.
Evernote doesn't come close to doing what I want to do - create online notebooks for managing large amounts of technical material. I'm looking to create content that looks more like this:
Evernote is just way to inflexible to do that, and the navigational paradigm just doesn't work for this kind of content.
A few comments from a long-time user....
Evernote is a member of the family - agreed - and personally, with daily contact with this family member for 15,000 days straight... I'd say the analogy fits. But it's more of a special-needs member of the family. Evernote needed a rebuild from day 1 - I could sense it... Phil Lubin must have installed some ugly culture in that place... it got in - right to the code. One new feature - two new bugs. And the recent C-Level exodus... remnants of Phil too, I bet.
Evernote is stagnate? who cares? It's not stable on ANY platform. Windows - a joke... iOS - crash a holic - Android (my driver) hopeless. MacOS - might work better but as of last go, it sucked too much to justify having a Mac just to run Evernote (but I would!)
225 million users.? I don't believe it. - not a chance - I could not sell it to anyone (except my wife) and trust me... I tried. I choose poorly when deciding to change the direction of my tech support business - toward an EVERNOTE-based consulting company. (was 16 years a IT service provider with employees and cared for 100's of computers)
I really do wonder how tough it would be to reverse engineer this product and start fresh... (Google????) $$$? Maybe Mr. O'Neil has some friends left or did he drink Phil's kool-aid and burn that bridge when he crossed it getting EN sync onto Google.
Evernote - so much potential... remember Mohiomap? and the Ai poten(evernote x86just crashed) tial of all our data being organized and sorted and related by magic? Personally at 22196 notes as of this one. 3600/months for 6 years - and I'm exhausted with Ever-note. But I'm so! stuck with it.
Steve... 2 hour webinar? Sounds fun. I'll try to see you on Wednesday! 420 friendly? BTW, Countdown < 30 days and I'm thinking add a stoner segment to your line-up (co-hosted by me of course) ... it would be the bomb.
I've used EverNote since the days when I had my first Blackberry... (I so miss my blackberry ) That Keyboard.... But.... back on topic. I use Evernote on my WORK phone and My Work computer... But Evernote.... Limits the FREE accounts to two installations. I'm not paying anything to save a bunch of "notes". I like Evernote more than One Note... But - I'll make the switch and learn to use it effectively.
I like the 10 minute recap format. I missed the recent Evernote Webinar Wednesday session and the 48 hour replay,
which was a bummer as I’m debating about keeping my Onenote notes or jumping fully into Evernote. Having this recap was a huge help. Thanks Steve.
Evernote should choose a direction. Go for consumers OR go for business teams. They just don't know where to go. The company is top heavy with marketeers who cost way to much. No need to reinvent the wheel.
I'm a long time users and went to Evernote as a Catchnote refugee. I'm afraid to update Evernote because did an upgrade and it broke the search feature. I dependant on Evernote at work. If I were to leave Evernote, it would have to be a painless transition because I have thousands of notes.
I have always found Evernote does things the wrong way around. I prefer starting with the Action item. I use Todoist for much of this. Tagging actions into a project or group pulls together the little pieces. Using Todoist forces action and priority setting. Evernote is another set of folders to maintain.
Steve, Loved the recap!!! I am a regular attendee of Webinar Wednesday but sometimes my connections are unreliable. While I still watched the full recap it was nice to see this 10 minute recap so I knew I would get value out of the entire Webinar! Keep up the great work.
Gonna try out Notion. I'm not in a rush to leave Evernote so now's a good time to test the waters. By the way, Notion needs to work a bit on their SEO or something. Trying to find https://www.notion.so took some doing. I mostly got results for music and security apps.
i like this recap thing that you are doing.. Its like a summary of a medical journal that we doctors do not have enough time to read. Its concise and emphasizes on the key points that we are really interested in. Kudos! keep this up steve!!
I just use google docs with google drive! So easy to search and save files from anywhere! I used Evernote for a while but wasn’t compatible with a lot of mobile apps. Google Drive is quick and easy! Also much cheaper if you need more storage.
+Scott Ferguson On a PC Print Screen & paste in Paint. Save as jpeg. On my Samsung Note I just use the inbuilt screenwriter app.
I used to use One not but that's gone backwards over the years especially with screen clipping.
I've done the same thing. Leaving Evernote for Keep/Docs. I store quick small notes in Keep then if or when they get larger two clicks and it's now a Docs file. Or just insert a Keep note right into a Docs file from within.
I cut this off at 6:10 because it's a waste of time watching. Evernote is perfect. If they improve, great. But, I can live with it as is. I've tried 10s of notetaking apps before I settled on Evernote. Believe me, you're not going to find anything better.
I use onenote instead. I have 30 ***total*** gigabytes to use whenever I want, instead of 60mb a month or anything. There is also a locking feature that can be applied to a single specific note, or even an entire section. While you cannot lock a notebook, it helps to lock sections one at a time. Also, they are more generous with storage as I said earlier, where they give you all the storage (5gb) at once. You can easily upgrade to 100gb or get 1000 with office programs. It has more powerful formatting tools and even some drawing tools. Not to mention, all the features are 100% free right off the bat.
Commenting on this and the full WW. The current platform used - for the recap, there was no visual on the chat/Q&A, the ability to fast forward was goo - but the "full screen" isn't full screen - as in say YouTube, which stops the screen saver popping in whilst watch the hour... ... The summary format is nice - especially that it is mostly of your prepared inserted video... ... a better summary of the say top five question areas and your response would be nice - otherwise for a 3 to 5 mins I have to review 30 to 40 mins of 'heckic' live responses. More - maybe - for the bigger topics like this, or similar to the digial death and Facebook security type discussions, not so much for say your deep dive in to using Thinkfic.
The content - the PR dump of a few weeks ago is still worse than crap, ear flaps for goodness sake : )))) Why would I ever care in a functioning app what it's icon. Customer service helpdesk has also been a failure for EN... ... Notion looks good - although by default it tries to be a web rather than a desk app - as certain items in EN. See also ClickUp - similar to Notion, newer so still evolving... ... Like the integration of OneNote and Outlook, etc. makes something, but the database approach is lacking.
Good stuff, keep it up - the break did you good I think : )))))
Transcript of a quick chat on Twitter with Chris O'Neill CEO of Evernote.
"@croneill As business customer of Evernote since early 2013, I want to say how much we enjoy using it! Please just inform us dedicated paying customers of what we might expect going forward - collaboration/other. Its important to keep us keen!"
Chris O'Neill, Verified account, @croneill
Replying to @richard__webb
Thanks Richard for your loyalty and kind words. Loads in the works: new web client, new search, new web clipper, more integrations (to add to recent Slack, Salesforce, and Microsoft Teams), more templates, improved collaboration (sharing), enhanced task / wf management and more.
Richard Webb, @Richard__webb , Aug 26
Replying to @croneill
Thank you for your reply Chris. Very pleased to hear. We want to use one app only. Its important that those aspects you mention are there. We look forward to the improvements and will stay onboard as business customer 👍🏻🕸
downgraded my account to a free account today as my premium Evernote was set to renew next month. I'm fully using OneNote now so just no longer need Evernote. Very sad as there was a time when my whole life was in Evernote...but that time has come to an end.
The problem is not that Facebook and Google are the only advertising platforms. The problem is that they are considered mainstream media and without these two, the trend of cryptocurrencies gaining legitimacy is delayed. That is right, I said delayed not blocked or prevented.
The World Has Changed.
Five years ago, when bitcoin was unknown to most people, this might have been a fatal move. Today is a different story. I recently traveled to a remote mountain town in the interior of Mexico. Everyone I met had heard about Bitcoin and eyes lit up with excitement when I ask if I could pay for lunch with bitcoin.
Today are dozens of websites dedicated to cryptocurrencies, either holding them, exchanging them or just writing about them. Probably the most effective advertising remains on Google, it is called Google Search and it is free.
If someone wants to learn about owning bitcoin or any other currency, there is a ton of educational information.
The Flipside Is Being Ignored.
Not All Regulation Is Inherently Bad.
If we examine the full spectrum of regulation to this point on a global scale there is one common target most everywhere. That is the practice of exchanges. So far there has been little or not regulation, threatened or enacted, to protect investors from loss of funds due to security breaches.
Capitulation Is A Good Sign.