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The Shack A Different God

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Full show here: https://goo.gl/6ifOAg. Jan Markell and Eric Barger talk with author and theologian Dr. James DeYoung about the book and movie about the Shack. Dr. James DeYoung is quizzed by Jan and Eric about the nature of the god that is portrayed in this book and movie. They definitely conclude that the god of the Shack is not the God of the Bible.
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R Wayne (2 years ago)
This is what Paul said:Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
R Wayne (2 years ago)
The ONLY solution I see to this conundrum is to CRUCIFY Tim McGraw. This is what we must do! He has obviously profaned our Chick Tract theology!
R Wayne (2 years ago)
And if I be raised up, I will draw ALL men to myself. That's what He said.
R Wayne (2 years ago)
So God will condemn MOST humans to an eternity of torment? This is your gospel or Good News? I really need some explanation.
R Wayne (2 years ago)
I have a Bible. I have read it. My posts were to simply engage. I wanted to find if you folks can really think anymore.
R Wayne (2 years ago)
I think my previous post was somehow deleted. I will also add....why does your gospel always begin with a celestial threat? This is true....the fervent heat of the hell you have perceived in your mind is inversely proportional to the width of the gate to Heaven.....until eventually you find that you yourself cannot even pass through. Don't you believe that Jesus paid it all? I do!
R Wayne (2 years ago)
I think you are being very presumptuous thinking that I am not a Christian...,just sayin'.
Now & Eternity (2 years ago)
R Wayne, Jesus Christ died on a brutal cross for all humanity's sin & death & rose again victorious. He is offering His forgiveness & salvation for everyone, you can humble yourself & accept His gracious offer & be forgiven & be with God for all eternity in Heaven. Or, you can pay for your own punishment of sins & go to Hell, which will you choose? Jesus Christ is Gracious but He will not make you be with Him, and He is Just, & therefore you will pay for your own sins & not be with Him for ever in Heaven & go to Hell !!!
R Wayne (2 years ago)
I John 2: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. I cannot say this in any other way....and to boot this is KJV
SustainMe13 (2 years ago)
If we leave it to the world to decipher God's ways, means and wants for us as His children we are in a sad place as children. The way that seems right to a man is folly. Psychology is study of Adam, sinful man. Why are we not studying Jesus instead of putting God in boxes. Cinema boxes, postal boxes.....God is Spirit. Watch!
Fuzzy Wuzzy (2 years ago)
Wow, this week really highlights your judgmental tendencies and your TOTAL ignorance when it comes to certain subject matter. Any type of belief that doesnt exactly fit with what you want to believe is automatically wrong. Second, Dr. (so called) DeYoung makes a comment about what he implies to be more acceptable images of "god the father", specifically pointing out Michelangelo's portrayal. Michelangelo was a follower of renaissance humanism (no, it's nothing like modern day secular humanism), a code of conduct that encouraged things like education, civic pride and civic duty, self improvement and a study of the classical past (ancient rome and ancient greece). When it came down to painting the image of "god the father" in the part of the sistine fresco known as "the creation of adam" micheangelo had no scriptural basis for a likeness. Instead, he utilized his classical education and based the visual form of the christian god on the description of the greek god zeus. This image in the sistine chapel is what has defined the way most people mentally picture "god" in the western world ever since. I wonder (actually I know how they would feel) how people would feel if they knew the image of "god" they are familiar with is based on a greek pagan deity?
Jada Parks (2 years ago)
Sister Jan, thank you once again for being a true WATCHMAN ON THE WALL. I haven't been to the movies in many, many, many years and have no desire to go; I also am very careful about what I read these days as well. We should not be surprised concerning FALSE teaching, deceptive representations of our LORD and the things pertaining to HIM, and how ppl are so willing to "flock" to these various deceitful movies, teachings, churches and etc. It seem that ppl are so willing & ready to believe a lie ( eventually it will be THE LIE ) than anything else. What makes "almost right" so pure evil is that it is always wrapped in a beautiful package with a big bright bow and it can deceive generations of ppl. Just think about the falsehood of Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah Witness-ism, Roman Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Scientology, Haría Keshna-ism, Ba'Hai-ism and so many other -isms & schisms there are and the thousands, Millions & Billions who embrace these misleading, deceiving, and willfully ignorant teachings/doctrines w/their blind leading the blind leaders. Charles Spurgeon was right that DECERNMENT is definitely what we need--- the ability to know RIGHT FROM ALMOST RIGHT. Even so, Come, LORD JESUS. Take Care, precious sister.
Tom Bladecki (2 years ago)
Jan Markell; God is His WORD(LOGOS)! John 1:14 And the Logos was made flesh, . . . God's plan for restoring order was made or became flesh in the person of His son, Jesus Christ. God did not become flesh; His plan did. Numbers 23:19  God is not a man, that he should lie . . . John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time . . . 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; How can God be a mediator between Himself and another party? Further, years after Jesus Christ's ascension and his installation at his Father's right hand - his Father still calls him a man; he was not God and did not become God. Jesus Christ is the first fruit of the dead with a new spiritual body, the same that the saved are promised.
ladydiana531 (2 years ago)
I met the author at a church here in Oregon when his book came out. I bought the book, read a part of it, and threw it away!!!
Becca (2 years ago)
The gospel is JESUS CHRIST THE ALMIGHTY GOD SACRIFICED, BURIED, RESURRECTED All other roads lead to hell!
R Wayne (2 years ago)
Most of these false prophets have jets.....and your money.
Becca (2 years ago)
Jada Parks Amen sister, thank God the elect can't be deceived! I've always been able to find that "needle in the haystack" thanks to the discernment of the Holy Spirit. There truly is only a remnant left though. Praise Jesus that we are sealed and protected from the evil one. What a comfort it is to my whole being - body, soul, and spirit - to know the truth because it does set us free! Soon He will return to redeem our ransomed souls and we will worship in His eternal glory forever! On a side note, it is good to hear from you again. I've been thinking about you lately, praying that everything is ok. Can't wait to meet you, and all my brothers and sisters, when we get to the other side!
Jada Parks (2 years ago)
Becca: Frankly, I do not know why so many of us, in the body of Christ, are so surprised. Didn't JESUS tell us that there would be MANY FALSE PROPHETS in the last days ( deception ) and there would be MANY deceived, beguiled and followers of these "wolves in sheep clothing". I like what Charles Spurgeon said about our NEED of DISCERNMENT ( knowing RIGHT from almost RIGHT ).
Melissa Shreve (2 years ago)
My question?what makes the other "christian" entertainment okay( God's not Dead, The War Room, etc., ? Personally, concerned about all these recent movies?
Melissa Shreve (2 years ago)
Mark Bernard Amen!
Mark Bernard (2 years ago)
Thanks. I am not really surprised, the church et al has been sliding, ever so gently, into apostasy for decades. Truth has been eroded, to the point where it no longer has any meaning to many Christians, feelings now trump facts, and we have mass conversions that are shallow and powerless, coupled with all of this we have had a massive cultural shift from modernism to post-modernism which has impacted the church through cultural movements within the church, which have pushed for more narrative based interpretations of scripture as well as counter movements which have pushed for the supplanting of Science over Scripture. The rise of the Emergent church has played a significant role in this modern degradation, they have single-handedly infiltrated what was once known as bastions of Christian truth. ' The sad truth is that there are many, even within the church who will be deceived, we need to stand forth as shining lights in the midst of a perverse and crooked generation and as much as is possible shine forth the light of Christ, always being careful to understand that it is by the grace of the living God that we stand, by faith, let us continue in that way for by the grace of God we will overcome, in Jesus name.
Melissa Shreve (2 years ago)
Mark Bernard , Thank you. I am surprised so many Christians are promoting this. The same Christians who go to all the (bible based) movies I mentioned in my first comment. I was asked by a friend who was excited to share with me she went, if I'd seen it yet. She was disappointed that I had no interest. And her father is a pastor! Thankful my pastor spoke out against!
Fuzzy Wuzzy (2 years ago)
It's a piece of fiction.
Mark Bernard (2 years ago)
Melissa Shreve the answer is that these other Christian forms of media that you mention are still based on sound biblical principles the Shack is not. it is pagan at its center

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