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YouTube Nursery Rhythms & Bleeping Toys - The Bad Way to Teach Music to Babies

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In this video I explore the deficiencies of products claiming to help teach young babies about music: musical toys and nursery rhythms especially. Along the way I make reference to studies including one interesting experiment by the well known YouTuber, Rick Beato. Support me by becoming a Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/Tantacrul ----- Related Material: A decent book on the subject, written for non-musicians https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/american-academy-of-pediatrics-announces-new-recommendations-for-childrens-media-use.aspx Fascinating talk about how children learn language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XBIkHW954 Related Articles https://www.wired.com/2011/10/infant-tv-guidelines/ http://www.brillkids.com/media/ebooks/ebook-teaching-your-young-child-music.pdf The Brahms Lullaby on Three Row Melodeon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLCeLuu1p3c An app founded by Rick Beato which delivers playlists chosen to develop babies’ musical ears https://www.nuryl.com/ Talks Improving early child development with words - Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald https://youtu.be/y8qc8Aa3weE?t=8m18s The linguistic genius of babies - Patricia Kuhl --- Note: if you hadn't already guessed, the video of the baby playing guitar isn't real!
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"Don't be afraid to play music of all types to your kids." _(rubs hands together)_ I can't wait to introduce my baby to grindcore.
Bar Goldstein (16 days ago)
5:20-5:26 That also happened to me! I listened to CDs of concerts of classical music before I was born (through headphones that were strapped on my mom's stomach), after birth I kept listening to it from birth to about 3 years old, and now many years later I have perfect pitch and I'm an aspiring guitar player
Nickgo (19 days ago)
1:40 that glockenspiel is a semitone sharp
Ru (21 days ago)
Growing up as a kid, my parents put Led Zeppelin, Gorillaz, Pink Floyd and so on sometimes and the music videos scared me. Now Pink Floyd is my favourite band. So I totally agree.
Edward Eddy67716 (1 month ago)
Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one that wonders why no baby xylophones had sharps/flats. I've even seen stupid six note xylophones that go from C to A.
Vincent Hübschmann (1 month ago)
That’s a dark ass ending dude
DalekWindmill (1 month ago)
When I was that age, my mum didn't play nursery rhymes or kids TV shows, she played things such as "Jeff Buckley - Live in Chicago" or "Pink Floyd - Live in Pompeii" to name a few. That is most definitely where my love of music comes from. I didn't have a small xylophone, I had the family piano hahah.
Samira Peri (1 month ago)
I listened to classical, pop and whatnot when I was a kid. Not sure what that means. (Now I prefer industrial, metal and so on. :D)
Stray Medicine (1 month ago)
This shouldn't only apply to your children when it comes to music. Think about all aspects of media and entertainment as an opportunity for furthering their intelligence, be picky about all of it and make sure it all has artistic integrity and nuance. Culture your kids from an early age. Pains me to think about what kind of brain rot is happening from the garbage animation in those Videogyan clips and what level of incompetence it took to make in the first place. There's a lot of this kinda terrible stuff in children's entertainment. D:
Drake Ruley (1 month ago)
This is a stupid opinion on my part My dad is so much scarier than my mother He was the negative enforcer The one with the belt So ie more scarier So if Mom said something it was Eh I guess give me a minute My dad on the other hand Yessir
Dissonance Paradiddle (1 month ago)
As a larva I loved listening to my parents play music for me I doubt I'd be as into music as I have been without that.
Stingetan (1 month ago)
Hey, I got my one year old niece a child's xylophone with no sharp/flat keys. It is set at an angle and has a hole at the top where you can put a ball so that it rolls across the keys and plays the scale. And it is cute as hell. Great video as always. Also: that horse gallop sound from the keyboard sounds like a burst fire rifle, not a horse lol
Axyo (1 month ago)
g e n d e r s t e r e o t y p e s
Cory Mck (1 month ago)
"L Grade" Relatable. *Ever heard of Class of 3000?* It's exactly the thing it sounds like you would love for your kids.
Hecatonicosachoron (1 month ago)
*GASP* DUCK MURDERER!!!!
TheRantingsofaMadman (1 month ago)
Okay gotta admit, lost my shit at you finding the f# with a plate.
GH0ST DEC0Y (1 month ago)
damn i need some hoisin sauce.
GabeN (1 month ago)
Does Hooplakidz scare the shit out of anyone else? Their content is disturbingly low quality and the music is weird and warped. The idea of thousands of parents showing kids this shit for hours on end makes me very anxious.
Hans Brackhaus (1 month ago)
While I agree with pretty much everything in this video, please, never ever play Brahms Lullaby on an accordeon again, please. I'm a polytheist so there's more than one god weeping right now, on top of I.
Tantacrul (1 month ago)
Put it down to being a little green! This was before I became a somewhat competent editor :)
VSeven Nial (2 months ago)
2:42 I think your plate might be out of tune.
Tantacrul (2 months ago)
I think so too. I think it's ringing out with quite a few muddled frequencies.
RadenWA (2 months ago)
They say classical music is good to develop babies' brain and yet they go to 3-chord repetitive garbage when it comes to actually "teaching" them music.
Sqidgery (2 months ago)
Where did you get that plate???
Spanish Moustache (2 months ago)
Babyyyy sharkkk DU DU DU DUU DUUUUUUUUUU please kill me
Tantacrul (2 months ago)
I feel your pain. That one is particularly bad.
Isak Viklund (2 months ago)
*Well-meaning adult* plays nursery rhyme. *Baby* _thinking to itself_ "don't insult my intelligence".
Ace Dragon (2 months ago)
I'm gonna make sure that my kid has perfect pitch if I ever have one, Rick Beato style, as mentioned in this video
Phoenix (2 months ago)
I have never heard that babies can't deal with large amounts of notes on many different octaves, before. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. It is no different I suppose than saying babies don't like black, dark or bright colours; which is why items for babies are extremely pale colours. Why can't a baby have black clothes?
Zonno5 (3 months ago)
Would you recommend Bill Wurtz as better music for babies?
River St-Grey (3 months ago)
I keep waking up with HooplaKids version of five little ducks stuck in my head, and I both hate everything and kind of secretly love it while hating myself for it.
Oli Freke (4 months ago)
Great stuff. Agree totally. (Background accordian music was a bit annoying though..maybe a diatribe on the assumption that music needs to background *everything* these days? ;-)
Oli Freke (4 months ago)
+Tantacrul Cool. Another topic for a Tantacrul rant: The Moog Modular 35 app they made for iPhone...did you see that? They'd literally recreated the UI of the hardware and gave you a matchbox size portal with which to interact with. Lunacy! (Ps - I make nice synth posters - check 'em out: www.synthevolution.net - and tell your friends! :-)
Tantacrul (4 months ago)
Yeah, this is a slightly older video. The BG music is a problem
Dave 5400 (4 months ago)
Eating sugar, Johnny?
Apples The Hero (4 months ago)
these kids channels are actually horrifying, there's NO WAY I would EVER show any of that stuff to my child, or any child for that matter
N0mad981 (4 months ago)
i love that final note - daddy duck's not coming back back
Pentameron (4 months ago)
Part of the title of this video is "Nursery Rhythms" (in description as well). Shouldn't it be "Nursery Rhymes" instead?
Roux Phoenix (4 months ago)
You're effortlessly one of my favourite youtubers right now.
Haiku Metzger (4 months ago)
I love the content, but why did you have to put that god forsaken music in the background, though? I had to pause every few minutes from the headache.
Christian Götzschild (4 months ago)
I would have been interested in what you had to say but the god awful background music made me shut it off.
Samuel Jensen (4 months ago)
IMO the simple explanation is just that we don't put as much importance into kids being accurate with music as we do with language.
Samuel Jensen (4 months ago)
Man I reckon if your kids heard my playing I could get them to cry.
WangleLine (4 months ago)
Please teach me the great complexities of the plate, master!
Steezless Skating (4 months ago)
What do you think about all the Rock-a-bye baby cover songs?
Tantacrul (4 months ago)
Is that a thing? Time to investigate!
bibbis (4 months ago)
So interesting! Great video!
TokyoXtreme (4 months ago)
Telling lies, Tantacrul?
Darren Lucas (4 months ago)
counter-intuitive argument follows: just don't teach babies - its bad for them. it will give them headaches later on. they won't thank you for having soft brains hardened up too young, which makes learning later on a painful experience, they become inflexible. Let them pick it up for them self at their own pace. wait until they're 7 years old before teaching them. early child genius-making, what that is is programming little robotic morons who become unable to question things later on - it literally hurts their heads.
Chronically Me (4 months ago)
I'm currently in Uni studying music, and although most people are pretty shocked I'm a musician and my mum is Deaf I think it helped a lot in this early stage. We had a piano, and my grandparents had gotten me a few other instruments since I seemed to like them so much, including a mini guitar (not ukelele everyone always called it a ukelele it's 6 strings tuned like a guitar) and a mini accordion, and I had basically free reign of all of those instruments during my free time. Because my mum was Deaf I had no limits on what type of sounds I made, I think a large amount of the disdain for dissonance isn't for the babies' sake, it's for the parents. Adults don't want to hear minor seconds being smashed on a piano in quick succession with off key wailing. But if we think about how babies learn speech, they don't do things "right" the first time, they have to develop an understanding of what they are capable of.
Tantacrul (4 months ago)
I guess we always have to remember that all baby products are advertised at us. Thanks for watching! Appreciate the comment.
Naeem Ahmad (4 months ago)
you dangle keys in front of babies not because it gives soothing sound or anything, but because you need to stop them from crying or feed them broccoli or whatever..
Jamie Ramone (4 months ago)
WTF?! R we just expected 2 just ignore the toy piano with SPERM CELLS as labels?!?!
Muroj (4 months ago)
THANK YOU for showing the gamelan I kind of wish now that I was more exposed to these different varieties of music when I was just a baby, but at least I got to start participating in a Balinese gamelan ensemble when I was only 12, thanks to a wonderful elementary music teacher! And being able to discover microtonal music on my own. Been enjoying it all ever since!
Trance Emerson (4 months ago)
I was listening up to the point when you started spouting Marxist nonsense. lost a sub ... bye.
x.iso (4 months ago)
I've just put M-Audio Axion 49 on accessible shelf hooked up to my old laptop (at the higher shelf) with DAW setup to switch presets on VST from the buttons under the mixer, pads dedicated for some drum/sfx samples. And my kid plays with it as he likes, I show him ways to play it from time to time, even though I'm amateur at keys. All I can say is that he really is sensitive to sound and music, has his preferences. And although he likes nursery rhymes for some reason (there are better versions than examples in this video), he also likes Vulfpeck, some IDM and other interesting things. Don't remember examples of what he doesn't like, but there were some.
MuchozolF (4 months ago)
The bus is so fucking horrifying. Why would you show it to a baby?
Réka Szalay (4 months ago)
The bus is not just ugly but almost scary at 6:22
Josh Noonan (5 months ago)
That ending..
john clarity (5 months ago)
I can't find it now, but I remember stories of Nicholas Slonimsky playing atonal music to his children...
Drum Machine Bear (5 months ago)
Woo! I was hoping Rick would show up by the end
MpSniperM1911 (5 months ago)
This video was recommended to me in thr right time, because my sister's baby is going to born in less than a week from cristimas (aka today) and i really wanna show the complicated songs to him
dustBoxed.isUpNORTH (5 months ago)
How does one tune their plates to F#?
Tantacrul (5 months ago)
Keep adding water to it and test until you get an F#. I found that each different bowl had a limited range. You needed to be within 4 semitones of the desired note. Yes, I put this much effort in.
Insidious One (5 months ago)
Damn, that bus looks scary as fuck with this frown
LRGonzales (5 months ago)
So you send the first half of this advocating variety in music for babies, but then complain about the potential influence when a YouTube channel mixes up the chord progression because the music raises a question when the lyrics aren’t?
MidnightSt (5 months ago)
2:40 oh wow, that plate moment is amazing =D
CurtleStuff (5 months ago)
Someone told me that they think babies are dumb. I think they are not the dumb. The person that told me that babies are dumb is the dumb. Hmm.... What do you think?
Main Frame (5 months ago)
Aww, Daddy duck is never coming back? How is that any better than all you just have said...?
Alex Martinelli (5 months ago)
the definition of cacofonic: 2:51
Emanuil Spasov (5 months ago)
i was stoned out of my mind at the eastern european equivalent of toys r us a few months back and suddenly got the urge to jam on some baby toys but i quickly realized that almost all keyboards ONLY had the major scale (one did have a weird combination of major and whole tone; why?). proceeded to go on a huge rant that my friend had to listen to for the rest of the day. im assumed the reason for that is twofold: a) not to annoy parents with their baby procedurally and mercilessly bashing out twelve tone series and studies in dissonance. b) and this is the most frightening, to attempt to force a positive, happy atmosphere for the baby (which is obviously not how music works in broad terms and the major scale in particular). i mean at that point why even bother raising a kid, when they're obviously gonna call you a terrible parent in 15 years anyway thanks for collecting and enhancing my sentiments in this video. thanks for being super critical and analytical of everything in general ps fuck you dad not being able to avoid housing isnt about being lazy
unfa (5 months ago)
I think the absence of black keys on toys is not for the babies - it's for the parents, who wouldn't stand listening to minor seconds over and over.
Rohann van Rensburg (5 months ago)
Ah, yes! Great video, this needs to be pointed out more. All this obsession with simplicity and a bottom-up approach is completely contrary to updated learning theory and how children learn every single other skill in life. I wonder if it's a consequence of the garbage educational system many parts of the western world have had for so long. I think people misunderstand the purpose of nursery rhymes and lullaby's. Most are adaptations of folk songs, which are easily passed on, easily playable on many different instruments, and easy to sing (the melodies generally are, anyway, there's some crazy folk music out there). Especially considering most were written in the years prior to recorded music, their purpose is not to gradually ease a child into music and "make them smarter", the purpose was to preserve local/cultural/generational melodies and make music easily accessible to common folk. Lullaby's are again, simple and relatively memorable melodies that are easy for a non-musically trained parent to sing to a child on a regular basis as a source of comfort or for family unity, entertainment, for ease of participation of younger children, etc. All of these purposes are still perfectly valid, but being played through a chunk of plastic isn't going to make a child smarter. "Lord knows dissonance is bad for babies" Hahaha, too true. We're so brainwashed by radio pop to be averted to anything *remotely* dissonant. Have a listen to Turkish or Hungarian pop or folk music.
Fcuking Alien (5 months ago)
The background music is good... not.
Aegon Targaryen (5 months ago)
Yaaay I'm Dalmatian. Give me a cookie
horowizard (5 months ago)
Just because they are younger and smaller doesn't mean they aren't smarter than you.
Maxon Mendel (5 months ago)
Great video! Hopefully my kids become geniuses, because I'm going to treat them like geniuses as soon as they're born. No booga wooga baby talk from me
Andy Johnson (5 months ago)
I've been trying to convince my friends to get their kid to listen to proper music in the car. Not so that the kid becomes a musical genius, but just so we don't have to listen to shit music on repeat for the next eight years.
i’m gonna play death grips for my kids if i ever have them.
TheDash456 (5 months ago)
2:52 - What brand of toy piano is that? Also, what was playing on that piano?
Alex (5 months ago)
for sounds to be 'scary' don't you have to be in a scary situation and hear the sound to start the association, then more times to reinforce it...?
Higgs Bonbon (5 months ago)
Babies and children are generally assumed to be far more stupid than they actually are and it's damaging to their development.
Kell Willsen (5 months ago)
Carrie and David Grant based their 'Popshop' show on a similar premise for children's music. It should be listenable, interesting, and deliberate. They're aiming at older children, and teaching composition as much as anything else, so their goal is a bit different, but the principles are the same: If an adult would find this tune boring, stupid, and/or annoying, then it's no good for kids either.
Tago (5 months ago)
6:58 it’s the fucking I-V-vi-IV progression
im gonna raise my kids on free jazz and you cant stop me
The Goat Got Milked (5 months ago)
In other words: play some deathmetal to your kids from time to time.
Noah Joaquin (5 months ago)
I’m lucky my mom was one of those “Beethoven playing through a speaker next to the womb” types from the get-go. It just seems like a missed opportunity to waste formative years listening to piss poor examples of music.
Bar Goldstein (16 days ago)
I can definitely relate. My mom was also one of these!
SGresponse (5 months ago)
THAT PLATE. THAT IS COMEDY GOLD. I have a daughter. She is now 23months old. Cameo ; White Stripes ; Jet ; Queen ; Cake ; The Hooters ; Gnarls Barkley ; Devo ; System of a Down ; Church of the Cosmic Skull ; Ghost ; Ben Caplan And every night since day 1 - Riven, Myst, Myst III, Myst IV, Diary of Edith Finch ; Obduction ; Myst V. On a loop. Recently she started requesting it on even before she goes to sleep. Shame she didn't take a liking do Debussey in her early months. But she does enjoy Elisabethan chamber music and folk in general. She also enjoys crap-pop, but you can't win them all.
Rohann van Rensburg (5 months ago)
Kids that "get" good music burn out on crap pop, though. They all go through phases. Just like fast food isn't fulfilling after you become accustomed to world cuisine, she'll come around :). My 20 month old goes through phases of carefully selected simple music/pop, but I make sure it's the likes of i.e. Abba. She still requests Bach, Howard Shore, Joe Hisaishi, John Williams and Chopin more consistently than pop, though. I think a good compromise for kids is complex music with memorable melodies and rhythms, i.e. all of the great composers, and specific film composers like Williams.
John Penguin (5 months ago)
I’ve had pianos and synths around the house since they were born and my oldest is a better at sight reading for piano than me... 🤔 And hooplakidz are just the worst and kept so far from my kids... though I do like the “super simple songs” they’re actually trying to put out a good product.
Danny Jones (5 months ago)
good video but the genderstereotype nonsense spoils it a tad.
Jonas S Holmberg (4 months ago)
How did that offhand comment spoil it?
ps4star (5 months ago)
Agreed.
Jared Spence (5 months ago)
I found this video probably because I am a childcare teacher. This year I bought a $200 ukulele so my nice acoustic guitar wouldn't get damaged by the kids. We sing everything with the uke. Instead of listening to that horrid "A is for Apple, A-A-Apple" song, we do call and reply songs about what words start with certain letters. I can throw in any chords I want, and throw in minor and diminished chords with "WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING" when kids get restless. My colleagues have all refused my offers to teach them chords and prefer these shitty nursery rhyme videos. And despite it being out for over two years now, we have only just had a centre-wide ban on that monstrosity Baby Shark!
Rohann van Rensburg (4 months ago)
+Jared Spence That's encouraging to read!
Jared Spence (5 months ago)
Australia seems to be world class in early childhood. There was a huge overhaul of the system in 2011 when we brought in the Early Years Learning Framework. The style is completely play based now and the improvement on development is staggering. There's talks now of extending the play based style to the age of 7. The only thing that's lacking is how much is educators are paid. Otherwise, I have kids who couldn't count to 5 in January singing songs about the alphabet, counting to 20, all the months and days of the week
Rohann van Rensburg (5 months ago)
Childhood public education is still relatively impoverished at a fundamental level. There are promising movements, though -- the adaptation of new curriculum (up here in Canada anyway) that does away with isolated subjects (you can be creative in math class now), movements like "gameify your classroom", etc. Good on you for caring about what your kids learn! I suppose Maj13#11 chords will be harder to play now on a Uke, though ;).
Szlater (5 months ago)
Interesting content totally spoilt by that bloody accordion music being so intrusive...were you trying to torture your viewers?
MVK - San (5 months ago)
When I was a toddler my uncle was in his high school. We were given a small 4 octaves keyboard I think and my brother played it until it broke. My father fix it and it broke again after 3 years. Now my brother has perfect pitch.
f*ck google (5 months ago)
gender stereotyping? really?
Sammikins (5 months ago)
Nursery Rhythms or Nursery Rhymes? Typo on video title?
Michael Hunter (5 months ago)
Tu estas buenos
The Addict Of Gaming (5 months ago)
The wheels on the bus minor reharm is for showing the danger buses pose to babies.
NGoLC (5 months ago)
My son is 1 and I have already started to teach him guitar. So far he can strum. And recognises fretting. He is trying to figure out how it's done and its so cute.
Juan Pablo Corredor (5 months ago)
My dad is a Ska and Reggae musician so my parents never really played nursery rhymes for me while growing up, instead I grew up listening to Madness, Skatalites, Jimmy Cliff, Fabulosos Cadillacs, and so on. My mother liked rock music instead so she's play Beatles or Soda Stereo to me. Regardless of whether I'm a decent musician or not, I did end up loving music and chose that as my major in college. I probably would've despised music if all my exposure came from these awful low quality garbage videos. Likewise, a friend of mine who grew up in a household where they'd play Messiaen, Wagner and Stravinsky to her since she was born, instead of being shocked as a kid or anything, just came to love that music, and is probably the most knowledgeable among my classmates when it comes to classical European music.
Mica Chimera (5 months ago)
ok I will say that the music is nitpicking because a much bigger problem is THE WINDSHIELD WIPERS, WHAT?!
Gussy Rikh (5 months ago)
Very interesting
Stephen Dedalus (5 months ago)
Damnit, I was just thinking how good of a point you're making up until 8:12 - you went full sjw there. The rhyme is stupid yes, but did you have to go there really?
Supercluster64 (5 months ago)
2:52 Accidental grime music
融學 (5 months ago)
one of those things lol
akira (5 months ago)
I find this video interesting cus I remember my parents playing me a lot of “experimental” music along with the usual childrens songs. My mom is big on classical, but along with the usual Mozart’s and Telemann’s she also played recordings of The Rite Of Spring and I believe a few Toshiro Mayuzumi compositions like the Nirvana symphony. Apparently I didn’t really shriek in terror towards musical dissonance as a kid so that really helps your argument.
Steven O'Brien (5 months ago)
When you're so musically incompetent that you can't harmonize a fucking nursery rhyme......
Max O'Byrne (5 months ago)
I can’t wait to play my 3 month old some Death Grips
Tantacrul (5 months ago)
lol. haha
Peter Gergely (5 months ago)
Hahahahha, I died at the end😂😂😂
Myhr (5 months ago)
this is why I'm going to start my kids off on a carefully selected diet of Grindcore
Cyrus Sayah (2 months ago)
The double kicks pounding through a subwoofer will do a great job of burping them, too.
Seriti (4 months ago)
can I die and be reincarnated as your kid?

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